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No way everyone could fit in Texas . . .
According to the U.N. Population Database, the world's population in 2010 will be 6,908,688,000. The landmass of Texas is 268,820 sq mi (7,494,271,488,000 sq ft).
So, divide 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft by 6,908,688,000 people, and you get 1084.76 sq ft/person. That's approximately a 33' x 33' plot of land for every person on the planet, enough space for a town house.
Given an average four person family, every family would have a 66' x 66' plot of land, which would comfortably provide a single family home and yard -- and all of them fit on a landmass the size of Texas. Admittedly, it'd basically be one massive subdivision, but Texas is a tiny portion of the inhabitable Earth.
Such an arrangement would leave the entire rest of the world vacant. There's plenty of space for humanity.
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NSSM 2000: blueprint for de-population
by Jean Guilfoyle
The population-control ideology and the means to achieve it can be found in a U.S. executive-level government document entitled National security study memorandum 200: Implications of worldwide population growth for U.S. security and overseas interests (NSSM 200), published in 1974 and declassified in 1989. Although this plan of action was to be activated in developing countries, it was designed as a two-edged sword that could be swung with equal determination in both developed and developing countries alike. The document was signed by Henry Kissinger and directed to the secretaries of defense, agriculture and central intelligence, the deputy secretary of state, and the administrator of the Agency for International Development, with a copy to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The focus of the study was the "international political and economic implications of population growth."
The study identified 13 "key countries" in which "special U.S. political and strategic interests" existed. The targeted nations were: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia and Colombia.
Security interests
U.S. security interests were seen as threatened by demographic and political realities in lesser-developed countries (LDCs), and the age structure of high-fertility nations with large numbers of young people. Young people were considered a potential threat to multi-national corporations. Revolutionary actions and counter-revolutionary coups in countries with large populations were viewed as posing the danger of expropriation of foreign investments, and creating political or national security problems for the U.S. Also mentioned were racial, ethnic, cultural, and religious factors, where "differential rates of population growth (exists) among these groups."
A major U.S. security interest concerned access to "reserves of higher-grade ores of most minerals," and the terms for exploration and exploitation of those resources. The study advised that civil disturbances affecting the "smooth flow of needed materials" would be less likely to occur "under conditions of slow or zero population growth."
The expression of resistance to global population strategies at the World Population Conference in Bucharest, in August, 1974, created a need to "persuade" LDC leaders to assist in population reduction within the targeted countries. Those objections came from countries wanting to ensure that any "new international economic order" would respect national sovereignty. In addition, "There was general consternation ... when at the beginning of the conference the (World Population Plan of Action) was subjected to a slashing, five-pronged attack led by Algeria, with the backing of several African countries; Argentina, supported by Uruguay, Brazil, Peru, and ... some other Latin American countries; the Eastern European group, less Romania; the PRC and the Holy See" (86-87).
World-wide propaganda
The attack led eventually to a worldwide propaganda effort to "create demand" for population-control technologies, and extol the benefits of population reduction within the nations: "Development of a worldwide political and popular commitment to population stabilization is fundamental to any effective strategy. This requires the support and commitment of key LDC leaders. This will only take place if they clearly see the negative impact of unrestricted population growth and believe it is possible to deal with this question through governmental action" (100).
Sensitive to the charge of interference in the internal policies of nations, the document said, "We must take care that our activities should not give the appearance ... of an industrialized country policy directed against the LDCs." In light of this, the document called for "integrating population factors in national plans, particularly (within) health services, education, agricultural resources and development" while relating "population policies and family-planning programs to major sectors of development: health, nutrition, agriculture, education, social services, organized labor, women's activities, and community development" (21-2).
Sharpening this protective camouflage, the document recommended the integration of family planning with health programs: "Finally, providing integrated family planning and health services on a broad basis would help the U.S. contend with the ideological charge that the U.S. is more interested in curbing the numbers of LDC people than it is in their future and well-being" (117).
In the establishment of American-funded public policy, NSSM 200 suggested that population factors and population policies should be considered in all "Country Assistance Strategy Papers and Development Assistance Program multi-year papers.... Since population growth is a major determinant of increases in food demand," the document continued, "the allocation of scarce PL480 (food) resources should take account of what steps a country is taking in population control as well as food production."
Again, a cautionary warning accompanied the recommendation: "In these sensitive relationships, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion" (106-107). It was also recommended that other organizations, agencies, multilateral institutions and embassies participate in the establishment of population initiatives where resistance was prevalent. The use of satellite communications for propaganda was also recommended: "Beyond seeking to reach and influence national leaders, improved worldwide support for population-related efforts should be sought through increased emphasis on mass media and other population education and motivation programs by the UN, USIA (U.S. Information Agency) and USAID (U.S. Agency for International Development). We should give higher priorities in our information programs worldwide for this area and consider expansion of collaborative arrangements with multilateral institutions in population education programs" (117).
The role of the Department of State and USAID in the formation of "the United Nations Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA) to generate a multilateral effort in population as complement to the bilateral actions of AID and other donor countries" was described (121). Acting through the UNFPA gave the additional benefit of avoiding "the danger that some LDC leaders will see developed-country pressures for family planning as a form of economic or racial imperialism; this could well create a serious backlash."
Imperialist motivation
"The U.S. can help to minimize charges of an imperialist motivation behind its support of population activities by repeatedly asserting that such support derives from a concern with: (a) the right of the individual to determine freely and responsibly their number and spacing of children ... and (b) the fundamental social and economic development of poor countries" (114-5).
Finally, an "alternative" view was presented, which maintained that "mandatory programs may be needed and that we should be considering these possibilities now." Here, it was asked whether food would be considered "an instrument of national power" (118-120).
NSSM 200 was a statement composed after the fact. During the late 1960s and early 1970s, the U.S. had worked diligently behind the scenes to advance the population-control agenda at the United Nations, contributing the initial funding of $1 million.
A Department of State telegram, dated July 1969, reported the support of John D. Rockefeller III, among others, for the appointment of Rafael Salas of the Philippines as senior officer to co-ordinate and administer the UN population program. The administrator of the UN Development Program reported confidentially that he preferred someone such as Salas who had the "advantage of color, religion (Catholic) and conviction."
Why should this be a matter of interest to other countries? For two reasons. First, NSSM 200 describes the ideology and the methods for instituting population policies within sovereign nations. Second, in order to recognize the forceful determination of the program's propagators.
But there is another reason: look at us and learn. The people most seriously damaged by such a program will always be the people of the advocate nation itself. Former under-secretary for global affairs Timothy Wirth, when asked about the abortion issue by a reporter, responded lightly, "It's just another technology."
The U.S. has lost over 36 million children to abortion since 1973. It would be impossible to calculate the numbers lost through abortifacient drugs and devices. This much we do know: over 30 per cent of our youth between the ages of 15 and 25 are gone.
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Research U. S. Documents Statement of Dr. Hector Chavez Chuchon
Statement of Dr. Hector Chavez Chuchon
Congressional Briefing
February 23, 1998
My name is Hector Hugo Chavez Chuchon, and I am the president of the regional medical federation of Ayacucho, Andahuaylas, and Huancavelica in the Republic of Peru. This area is the poorest in the country. I do not belong to any political group, and hope that the Peruvian government has as much success as possible in its enterprises. But, at the same time, I have the moral obligation to come forward and denounce wrongs there, where they are done.
I'd like to describe my work since the start of the tubal ligation and vasectomy sterilization campaign. There are approximately 200 doctors in my region. Some of them have come to declare and demand that the federation step forward to defend doctors and to protest the "inhumane," massive, and expanding sterilization campaign, a campaign which imposes quotas on medical personnel. As proof of these quotas, I have this document which is available in the information packet that you have. These doctors do not like the way in which people are brought in for these surgical procedures, where information is poor, incomplete, and generally deficient. Also, the places where these operations are performed are for the most part unsuitable, and the personnel often insufficiently trained.
The Ministry of Health denies that there are campaigns and quotas referring to sterilizations, and absolves itself of its responsibility, without taking into account among other things, that the doctors work under their orders. Doctors work under pressure from their superiors, are given quotas and submitted to other more subtle forms of pressure. It is also true that doctors work under very unstable employment conditions, and could easily lose their posts.
I would like to have the people of the United States understand what their government is doing in Peru. My country is very large, and we do not have more than 25 million inhabitants, which in no way calls for a brutal birth control campaign, especially not one of sterilization. The facts show that prosperous countries like Japan have a high population density. Even though they are geographically much smaller, and lack the natural resources of my country, they live prosperously. So, we can see that the most important thing for a country is its human resources, which can generate wealth and wellbeing. Therefore, I would like especially to say that if you want to help my country, do so by investing in education and job creation, and not using these millions of dollars for population control programs.
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Home Research U. S. Documents Population Programs in the Philippines: Money for Nothing
Population Programs in the Philippines: Money for Nothing PDF Print E-mail
Written by Antonio B. de los Reyes
Congressional Briefing
February 23, 1998
The Philippine government's artificial birth control program, funded largely by the World Bank, USAID, and the UNFPA, is a failure and a redundancy on five fronts:
1. Financial Drain. It is an enormous and scandalous financial drain on the Philippine government's budget, much of which is drawn from taxes paid by Catholics and Muslims (both of whose faiths are directly violated by the program). Funding for contraception is by nature recurrent; perceived gains made over a year can be sustained only by ploughing in more money next year. Over 20 years from 1970 to 1990, it has cost our people over three billion pesos (P3,000,000,000), but has not significantly achieved its self-assigned goals of reducing poverty or improving quality of life. This is because artificial contraception is incapable of accomplishing those goals. It is powerless in removing the yoke of poverty from our people. It is impotent in improving the lot of victims of economic inequity, which is the real cause of poverty.
2. Managerial Waste. The contraceptive program's management machinery is a nightmare. It fields 2,500 full-time workers, supports 50,000 subsidized "volunteers," and retains a coordinating staff of over 300 with vague managerial responsibilities. These do not include the numerous clinic personnel in the Department of Health's bureaucratic network, and hundreds of private agencies which opportunistically mushroomed from the outpouring of foreign funds. While POPCOM's field force is among the best-trained and qualified government workers, the disarray at central management level renders it impotent. If this whole network were channeled instead into the government's livelihood program, these well-trained government workers would most likely be more productive and more professionally trained.
3. Political Deception. The authoritarian regime from 1969 to 1986 forced the contraceptive program upon our people not only to court external funding, but also to set up a "whipping boy," a convenient excuse for the regime's failure to engineer real development. Even as early as 1982, local governments who were coerced into co-financing the government's contraceptive campaign (which included IUD-safaris and massive sterilization drives) had already withdrawn their support. The marketeers of artificial contraception employ coercive means, even if the program itself deceitfully waves the banner of "non-coercion." Witnesses attest to outright insertion of IUDs and prescription of sterilization methods without proper diagnosis or even consent. The "high scenario" strategy adopted by the government in 1983 and continued by the succeeding administrations, imposes performance quotas on field personnel to "recruit" acceptors of all kinds of contraceptive methods, including sterilization. In the name of health, our government has sterilized more Filipinos than Hitler sterilized Jews! And the present health machinery has gone as far as violating national laws, in its determination to promote unlicensed abortifacients: injectables such as Depo-Provera and implants such as Norplant.
4. Cultural Incongruence. Contraception goes against the grain of Filipinos, who traditionally and authentically respect life, and who see in children not only resources for production, nor only means of security for the future, but also a blessing from God and an expression of gratitude to Him. American propaganda and aid policy have portrayed this pro-life orientation as "anti-development", and the contraceptive establishment has gradually inculcated in Filipino minds the absurd proposition that fewer children mean more happiness. Yet the impotence of past national governments in mobilizing our people's labor resources, and its squandering of the nation's capital assets, were the real problems. Why should we change our positive values to make amends for incompetence and corruption? Children are God's gifts to us. Should we sacrifice them to make up for the failures of our political and economic leaders? The strong Philippine rejection of the Cairo Conference proposals conveyed the pulse of the nation against the contraceptive ethic.
5. Moral Erosion. The message of the contraceptive mentality undergirding any artificial birth control campaign, is that the exercise of sexual desire should be "liberated" from the discipline of marriage and from its responsibility for ensuing life - as if marriage and parenthood were burdens, and life, a curse! It rests on the perverse proposition that our sexual faculties are designed to give us free rein for physical pleasure. Some of those who stand for contraception even go as far as training adolescents and pre-school children on how to prevent pregnancy, rather than why and how to avoid pre-marital sex. It is incontrovertibly proven that a strong contraceptive program leads eventually to legalization of abortion, as it desensitizes contraceptive users to the value of conception, and therefore of life.
Antonio B. de los Reyes is an economist by training, and is currently managing associate of the Grid Philippines Management Corporation. He serves as CEO of Habitat for Humanity (Philippines), and Vice Chair of the International Board of Directors of Habitat for Humanity International. From 1978-1982 he served in various capacities within population control organizations, among them Executive Director of the Commission on Population, the government agency that coordinate s and executes the population policy of the nation.
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Population control makes no demographic or economic sense
Confounding the doomsayers, world population growth is slowing dramatically. The US Census Bureau recently reported that the globe's population grew by only 79.6 million in 1996: seven million fewer than the high-water mark of population growth in 1994. The immediate reason for this decline is shrinking family size. The Census Bureau reports that the world's total fertility rate - the number of children born per woman during her lifetime - has declined to 2.9, its lowest level ever.
There are now 79 countries - representing fully 40% of the world's population - with fertility rates below the level necessary to stave off long-term population decline. The developed nations are in the worst straits. But this "birth dearth," as Ben Wattenberg has called it, has now spread well beyond the developed world. There are now 27 "developing" countries where women are averaging fewer than 2.2 children. These include such unlikely candidates as Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Replacement level fertility, moreover, is not always 2.2 children per women. Infant mortality drives these figures up, and drives a country's absolute rate of growth down relative to its total fertility rate (TFR). A recent report by Mexican demographers has identified the specific Mexican replacement level fertility as being 3.0 children per woman. In the meantime, Mexican women have a TFR of 3.3 and falling, and population reduction programs are still under full implementation.
The human face of this population implosion is melancholy - villages bereft of children, schools closed for lack of students - and the economic consequences are grim: Labor shortages cramp production, the housing market grows moribund, and this in turn creates a drag on real estate and other sectors of the economy.
While the population of portions of Africa, Asia and Latin America will continue to grow for several more decades, the rest of the world will soon be in demographic free fall. The bottom line: Population will peak at seven billion or so in 2030, and then begin a long descent. (This is essentially the U.N. Population Division's Nov.13 "low variant" prediction, with African, Asian and Latin American total fertility rates adjusted to converge on those of present-day Europe, or 1.35 children per woman).
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overpopulation is just another lame excuse to kill unborn kids.
maybe after they see where this is going they'll end up thinking it's better to kill old people. after all, this would make the general population younger and healthier and the health and pension systems of many countries with aging population wouldn't be under so much pressure.
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The following is a quote from Pat Buchanon's Book: The Death Of the West
Chapter on: Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
"The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK and ROLL."
He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino.
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Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
The following is a quote from Pat Buchanon's Book: The Death Of the West
Chapter on: Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
"The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK and ROLL."
He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino.
And yet with those facts staring the crazies like the proaborts that frequent here, will deny the truth for the gratification of the moment.
Proaborts and the basic moral degenerate that has come out of the sexual revolution are so blinded they can't see they're killing themsleves off...now, that's stupidity taken to heights possibly never before seen.
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Originally posted by: nancyu
Such an arrangement would leave the entire rest of the world vacant. There's plenty of space for humanity.
Since no one here seems to understand what overpopulation even means, I'll do my best to explain.
Overpopulation is not defined as a number of people who could hypothetically fit within a specific area, but rather when the number of people in an area exceeds the resources and the capacity of the environment necessary to sustain human activities. Population density has very little to do with the overpopulation crisis. As demonstrated around the world, human beings don't need to crowd an area to the brim in order to deplete the resources.
There is, and will continue to be, plenty of space for humans to exponentially increase their numbers. What there will not be are resources--fresh water, arable land, good soil, and sufficient means for food production to parallel the burgeoning population.
As the demand on soil grows, so does the rate at which it is destroyed. Today, over six billion people rely on food grown on just 11% of the global land surface. Soil degradation has reduced the amount of inherently fertile soil to 3% of Earth's surface.
Global fisheries are collapsing--80% of fish stocks are exploited to the point of near destruction as a result of unsustainable fishing levels. And yet as the human population grows, demand for fish--which make up 15% of all animal protein consumption by humans--will only continue to grow.
Air pollution, deforestation, acidifying oceans, desertification, erosion, climate change, loss of biodiversity--all of these correlate with the rise in human population, and many of them have reached crisis levels.
Sure, all human beings can physically fit into an area the size of Texas. But the consequences of relentless human expansion cannot.
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Proaborts and the basic moral degenerate that has come out of the sexual revolution are so blinded they can't see they're killing themsleves off...now, that's stupidity taken to heights possibly never before seen.
It's how the "terrorists" will win. Some of those families pop out 10, 15 kids to do their little Jihad recruitment, yet, most in the west will have 1.5 children.
All the likes of Osama have to do is wait a generation.
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Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
The following is a quote from Pat Buchanon's Book: The Death Of the West
Chapter on: Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
"The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK and ROLL."
He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino.
And your point is? Perhaps I could understand if you were concerned about the human species dying out. But no, you're worried about one race of humans (whites) being replaced by other races (non-whites). Well guess what, Racist? We're all human. Are you saying that Latinos and Muslims have an inferior "moral order" to whites? And what on earth do you mean when you say "Europeans" and "Americans" are trimming their populations? I've got news for you, Europeans and Americans are not just white. "Their own countries"? There are millions of Latino citizens of the United States and millions of Muslims who are European citizens. Are those countries not really "their" countries? And what of the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minority populations? If that were true, Buchanan wouldn't have his knickers in a twist about Latinos overrunning America. This is thinly veiled racism, plain and simple. Are you saying you agree with it?
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Originally posted by: rsg007
Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
The following is a quote from Pat Buchanon's Book: The Death Of the West
Chapter on: Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
"The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK and ROLL."
He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino.
And your point is? Perhaps I could understand if you were concerned about the human species dying out. But no, you're worried about one race of humans (whites) being replaced by other races (non-whites). Well guess what, Racist? We're all human. Are you saying that Latinos and Muslims have an inferior "moral order" to whites? And what on earth do you mean when you say "Europeans" and "Americans" are trimming their populations? I've got news for you, Europeans and Americans are not just white. "Their own countries"? There are millions of Latino citizens of the United States and millions of Muslims who are European citizens. Are those countries not really "their" countries? And what of the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minority populations? If that were true, Buchanan wouldn't have his knickers in a twist about Latinos overrunning America. This is thinly veiled racism, plain and simple. Are you saying you agree with it?
What the hell is the matter with you??? He didn't say one thing that was racist!
You're so stuck on stupid and being PC you couldn't see the truth if grew arms and slapped you!
And there are borders for reasons, rock solid reasons. But, you've been taught by so many moral degenerates and just plain crazies you can't understand a thing about why nations should be soverign, it's what's best for the individual and therefore the collective of each nation.
Sheesh....you must have a degree in stupid. Take off the cap and gown and go live in the real world, it's time to grow up.
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Originally posted by: rsg007
Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
The following is a quote from Pat Buchanon's Book: The Death Of the West
Chapter on: Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
"The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK and ROLL."
He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino.
And your point is? Perhaps I could understand if you were concerned about the human species dying out. But no, you're worried about one race of humans (whites) being replaced by other races (non-whites). Well guess what, Racist? We're all human. Are you saying that Latinos and Muslims have an inferior "moral order" to whites? And what on earth do you mean when you say "Europeans" and "Americans" are trimming their populations? I've got news for you, Europeans and Americans are not just white. "Their own countries"? There are millions of Latino citizens of the United States and millions of Muslims who are European citizens. Are those countries not really "their" countries? And what of the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minority populations? If that were true, Buchanan wouldn't have his knickers in a twist about Latinos overrunning America. This is thinly veiled racism, plain and simple. Are you saying you agree with it?
What the hell is the matter with you??? He didn't say one thing that was racist!
You're so stuck on stupid and being PC you couldn't see the truth if grew arms and slapped you!
And there are borders for reasons, rock solid reasons. But, you've been taught by so many moral degenerates and just plain crazies you can't understand a thing about why nations should be soverign, it's what's best for the individual and therefore the collective of each nation.
Sheesh....you must have a degree in stupid. Take off the cap and gown and go live in the real world, it's time to grow up.
Oh please explain how the following is not racist:
"He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino."
Are Latinos who are citizens of the US not actually "American"? Are Muslims who are European citizens not actually "European"? This is exactly what the above implies and that is racist. Who are these people who are going to become "minorities in their own countries"? Please explain.
Also, do you care to address my point about the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minorities? If this were true, nobody wouldn't be worrying about America becoming predominantly Latino, now would they?
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11/09/2009 12:16 PM
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saucie Executive Member
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Originally posted by: rsg007
Originally posted by: saucie
Originally posted by: rsg007
Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
The following is a quote from Pat Buchanon's Book: The Death Of the West
Chapter on: Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
"The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK and ROLL."
He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino.
And your point is? Perhaps I could understand if you were concerned about the human species dying out. But no, you're worried about one race of humans (whites) being replaced by other races (non-whites). Well guess what, Racist? We're all human. Are you saying that Latinos and Muslims have an inferior "moral order" to whites? And what on earth do you mean when you say "Europeans" and "Americans" are trimming their populations? I've got news for you, Europeans and Americans are not just white. "Their own countries"? There are millions of Latino citizens of the United States and millions of Muslims who are European citizens. Are those countries not really "their" countries? And what of the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minority populations? If that were true, Buchanan wouldn't have his knickers in a twist about Latinos overrunning America. This is thinly veiled racism, plain and simple. Are you saying you agree with it?
What the hell is the matter with you??? He didn't say one thing that was racist!
You're so stuck on stupid and being PC you couldn't see the truth if grew arms and slapped you!
And there are borders for reasons, rock solid reasons. But, you've been taught by so many moral degenerates and just plain crazies you can't understand a thing about why nations should be soverign, it's what's best for the individual and therefore the collective of each nation.
Sheesh....you must have a degree in stupid. Take off the cap and gown and go live in the real world, it's time to grow up.
Oh please explain how the following is not racist:
"He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino."
Are Latinos who are citizens of the US not actually "American"? Are Muslims who are European citizens not actually "European"? This is exactly what the above implies and that is racist. Who are these people who are going to become "minorities in their own countries"? Please explain.
Also, do you care to address my point about the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minorities? If this were true, nobody wouldn't be worrying about America becoming predominantly Latino, now would they?
I already explained it to you...trying to get thru to moral and intellectual midges is tiresome. Re-read it.
You're so stuck on being PC and have been taught some of the greastest lies that you couldn't see it if I drew a picture.
Now go really study something of use and grow up...you people are killing nations with your brand of stupidity.
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow The first liberal was satan.
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11/09/2009 03:13 PM
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rsg007 Executive Member
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Originally posted by: saucie
Originally posted by: rsg007
Originally posted by: saucie
Originally posted by: rsg007
Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
The following is a quote from Pat Buchanon's Book: The Death Of the West
Chapter on: Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
"The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK and ROLL."
He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino.
And your point is? Perhaps I could understand if you were concerned about the human species dying out. But no, you're worried about one race of humans (whites) being replaced by other races (non-whites). Well guess what, Racist? We're all human. Are you saying that Latinos and Muslims have an inferior "moral order" to whites? And what on earth do you mean when you say "Europeans" and "Americans" are trimming their populations? I've got news for you, Europeans and Americans are not just white. "Their own countries"? There are millions of Latino citizens of the United States and millions of Muslims who are European citizens. Are those countries not really "their" countries? And what of the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minority populations? If that were true, Buchanan wouldn't have his knickers in a twist about Latinos overrunning America. This is thinly veiled racism, plain and simple. Are you saying you agree with it?
What the hell is the matter with you??? He didn't say one thing that was racist!
You're so stuck on stupid and being PC you couldn't see the truth if grew arms and slapped you!
And there are borders for reasons, rock solid reasons. But, you've been taught by so many moral degenerates and just plain crazies you can't understand a thing about why nations should be soverign, it's what's best for the individual and therefore the collective of each nation.
Sheesh....you must have a degree in stupid. Take off the cap and gown and go live in the real world, it's time to grow up.
Oh please explain how the following is not racist:
"He goes on to conclude that census studies predict that if Europeans and Americans continue to trim away their populations that they will both become minorities in their own countries. Europe with be predominantly Muslim and America will become predominantly Latino."
Are Latinos who are citizens of the US not actually "American"? Are Muslims who are European citizens not actually "European"? This is exactly what the above implies and that is racist. Who are these people who are going to become "minorities in their own countries"? Please explain.
Also, do you care to address my point about the common pro-life argument that abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minorities? If this were true, nobody wouldn't be worrying about America becoming predominantly Latino, now would they?
I already explained it to you...trying to get thru to moral and intellectual midges is tiresome. Re-read it.
You're so stuck on being PC and have been taught some of the greastest lies that you couldn't see it if I drew a picture.
Now go really study something of use and grow up...you people are killing nations with your brand of stupidity.
You explained nothing and dodged my totally legitimate questions. Neither the original post nor my post said anything about borders. Buchanan talked about abortion being a threat to "western civilization" and then speculated that if Americans continue to have so many abortions, Latinos will overrun the US. Sure, one way this could happen is by illegal immigration, but that's another discussion. What about the Latinos that are already American citizens? How are they less American than other Americans? Answer the question!
And answer my point about one of your beloved pro-life arguments being complete hogwash (you know, the one about abortion being a eugenic tactic to wipe out minorities). Why on earth would anyone be worried about Latinos overrunning the US if we're trying to abort them all? Answer the questions, Saucie. My guess is you won't answer either of them, though. Partly because you know you can't without sounding racist and hypocritical, and partly because you're too dumb. What is a "soverign" nation anyway? It's OK, though--your silence speaks louder than any of your misspelled words could.
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11/09/2009 05:40 PM
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saucie Executive Member
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What about the Latinos that are already American citizens?
What about them???? What's the matter with you? Can't you read even a little bit?
And I'll answer whatever question I feel like.
You might as well know I hold all proaborts in contempt, I view you people as monsters.
I hope you're not operating under some stupid delusion that I want to "debate" you...I don't debate monsters.
You aren't worth the effort, I debate people who have a conscience...if you ever get one, get back to me...until then stuff it.
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow
The first liberal was satan.
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11/09/2009 05:43 PM
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Augustine VP
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If you can pretend that abortion does not kill a human person, why not pretend that Latinos are not the largest migrant group in America, legal or otherwise?
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People that support abortion are narrow minded, morally frail, passively cruel, constitutionally weak, emotionally impaired and are in every way, humanly disadvantaged.I AM A PRO-LIFE PERSON!
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11/10/2009 07:11 PM
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rsg007 Executive Member
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Originally posted by: saucie
What about the Latinos that are already American citizens?
What about them????
Oh right, sorry, I should have made it really simple for you to understand:
1) Buchanan says if "Americans" keep having abortions, "Latinos" will become the predominant race in America.
2) Many American citizens ARE latino. Buchanan's hypothesis implies that Americans cannot also be Latinos.
3) This is racist.
Get it now?
What about you, Leftsnemesis? You originally posted Buchanan's piece. Do you agree with his ideas?
Do you care to address the contradiction it implies: If abortion is a eugenic tactic to wipe out minorities (as pro-lifers often say), then why is Buchanan worried about Latinos becoming the predominant race in the US? Did he not see Maafa 21 yet or something?
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11/10/2009 07:18 PM
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rsg007 Executive Member
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Originally posted by: SpitMcGee
Originally posted by: nancyu
Such an arrangement would leave the entire rest of the world vacant. There's plenty of space for humanity.
Originally posted by: SpitMcGee
Since no one here seems to understand what overpopulation even means, I'll do my best to explain.
Overpopulation is not defined as a number of people who could hypothetically fit within a specific area, but rather when the number of people in an area exceeds the resources and the capacity of the environment necessary to sustain human activities. Population density has very little to do with the overpopulation crisis. As demonstrated around the world, human beings don't need to crowd an area to the brim in order to deplete the resources.
There is, and will continue to be, plenty of space for humans to exponentially increase their numbers. What there will not be are resources--fresh water, arable land, good soil, and sufficient means for food production to parallel the burgeoning population.
As the demand on soil grows, so does the rate at which it is destroyed. Today, over six billion people rely on food grown on just 11% of the global land surface. Soil degradation has reduced the amount of inherently fertile soil to 3% of Earth's surface.
Global fisheries are collapsing--80% of fish stocks are exploited to the point of near destruction as a result of unsustainable fishing levels. And yet as the human population grows, demand for fish--which make up 15% of all animal protein consumption by humans--will only continue to grow.
Air pollution, deforestation, acidifying oceans, desertification, erosion, climate change, loss of biodiversity--all of these correlate with the rise in human population, and many of them have reached crisis levels.
Sure, all human beings can physically fit into an area the size of Texas. But the consequences of relentless human expansion cannot.
Also, I'd really like to see someone (Nancy?) address this point.
Edited: 11/10/2009 at 07:20 PM by rsg007
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